Curse

Jam Jar · Mar 25, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Is it possible for a necromancer to do upright damage not through minions? Because I was wondering how a necromancer can do DPS instead of using hexes.

Blood seems like the only choice, but could someone offer up a build?

nvmu · Mar 25, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

life steal, or go /w and bring a sword/hammer/axe, or ss can work

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 25, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

umm maybe death spell spamming.....but necs really arn't made for heavy dmg output but you can do something but thats my take

Cathode_Reborn · Mar 25, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Any dedicated nec should go max the Sunspear title and leave Necrosis stapled on almost every bar. It's probably the best basic direct damage spell in the game.

If you wanna get excessive with it, Echo (elite) it and spam away. Then add Mindbender if you want for crazy high dps. The best part is you haven't even used any attribute points yet so you can spec into whatever you want to add more damage on top of that.

xDusT II · Mar 25, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Putrid Explosion is probably the best DD the necro has to offer. Couple it with Necrosis and some curses skills and you'll be good to go.

Draginvry · Mar 25, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Putrid Explosion is probably the best DD the necro has to offer. Couple it with Necrosis and some curses skills and you'll be good to go.

I agree. Death Magic + Necrosis is your best bet for pure damage, unless you want to be a necronuke.

cellardweller · Mar 25, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

[skill]spiteful spirit[/skill][skill]mark of pain[/skill][skill]barbs[/skill][skill]putrid explosion[/skill]
All spells with godly damage output in PvE.

Necrosis is a waste of a skill slot - If you want a single target killer, take Finish Him or YMLAD because neither will waste time that you could otherwise be casting your real damage spells.

Jam Jar · Mar 25, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

What about PvP? Unless you're ABing, there aren't a lot of NPCs.

cellardweller · Mar 25, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by Jam Jar

What about PvP? Unless you're ABing, there aren't a lot of NPCs.

If you're playing scrub pvp then you can run dark aura gimick builds for giggles. Barbs can rack up quite a death toll there too because of the lack of comunication amongst your oponents, and it can turn your RA dual riposte warrior teammate into less of a liablity.

In most real pvp damage comes from physicals, the necro's job is to enable your frontline while disabling your opponent's - the best you can hope for is helping out spike damage with blood skills.

System_Crush · Mar 25, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Sadly we don't do to well since [skill=text]Discord[/skill] was nerfed, it used to be great fun 4 spiking, best partner for it are some fire magic hexes, as good as all of those cause (conditional)burning while some allow you to keep the target permanently hexed.

I still think a synchronized activation of 4 or 5 discords would be pretty good if you hit the target with [skill=text]Gaze of Contempt[/skill] first.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 25, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

you dont even need to echo necrosis just archane it unless it was changed away from spell when i wasn't looking.

mindbender
archane echo
necrosis
barbs?
oop

bunch of melee

too bad necrosis isn't pvp available

jamnog · Mar 25, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

pvp not really my strong point. Icy veins seems to be popular if you can time it right it sometimes pays off but really spoil victor, corrupt enchantment and spiteful spirit come higher on my list. As everything on my list is a hex and you for some reason want to avoid them I suppose that leaves you with grenths balance and imo its a very hard skill to use without getting yourself killed. but it is the highest dps i can think of if you can time it right.

"do DPS instead of using hexes."
OK I will do my best:
Discord
Rotting Flesh
Vile Miasma
Putrid Bile
Deathly Swarm
Deathly Chill
Bitter Chill
Some of those are pretty spamable but they aren't high damage as such I wouldn't normally think of them in the same build.
as for the necrosis comments yeah I totally agree its bang bang bang with mind bender. Don't know if it works with the ele sunspear skill to increase damage not really bothered because with arcane it does enough damage for me.

Sorry I couldn't be much help here but for all the benefit necro can bring to a battle field I just don't think of myself as a nuker.

blue.rellik · Mar 26, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

I personally would think some of the non-Minion related Death spells are certainly worth a go. Things like Putrid Bile, Necrosis, Rising Bile, Toxic Chill etc etc can make a nice variation on a nuker. I've been playing around with the idea and am figuring out the skills though

Draginvry · Mar 26, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

[skill]spiteful spirit[/skill][skill]mark of pain[/skill][skill]barbs[/skill][skill]putrid explosion[/skill]
All spells with godly damage output in PvE.

Quoted for Truth.

Even one of these skills will help your enemies take a dirt nap. Take several of them, and you are sure to win.

Moloch Vein · Mar 26, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Are we talking about PvE or PvP here?

odly · Mar 26, 2008, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Arcane echo + Necrosis = 90 DPS.
You need a hex or a condition on the target, but that's hardly a problem for a necro.

Moloch Vein · Mar 26, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

The reason I'm asking PvE or PvP is that if we're talking PvE, you need a build that will do damage to a _mob_. That's what justifies bringing a straight nuker.

A necromancer can be a pretty effective straight nuker in endgame/HM areas. That's because the value of armor-ignoring damage is drastically increased there.

For example, take the standard Steel Wall Deep team build. Yeah, I know, it sucks, but the point is it's still run. Or you could look at the tank/spank DoA team farm builds. They all run with elementalists. Huffing, puffing, no-good slobs running around thinking their Searing Flames or Savannah Heat does all the difference. The best spell on their bar is Meteor Shower, because, if nothing else, that knocks people down every 60 seconds.

So, the justification for bringing them is that their damage "stacks", while the damage from the SS necromancer does not. So, how well does that damage stack compared to this:

Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom - Shadow of Fear - Arcane Echo - Feast of Corruption - Desecrate Enchantments - Defile Enchantments - Web of Disruption - Cry Of Pain

Or this:

Arcane Conundrum - Echo - Arcane Echo - Cry Of Pain - Desecrate Enchantments - Defile Enchantments - Signet Of Lost Souls - <Optional>

If you get my point. I'm not saying these are the best builds in the world. However, what they do output is real, consistent, reasonably reliable damage. And that's all the difference.

jiggles · Mar 26, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

WTB icy veins anyone?

use it on a nearly dead foe with SR at 16 and that's 90 damage to target fow and then 100+ to everything around it

Or Throw icy veins on a semi damaged foe and spam necrosis, thats like depending on how long the foe lives for, ALOT of damage

Moloch Vein · Mar 26, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

That's the point, your IV will not do that much damage, for reasons stated above.

zling · Mar 26, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

I wonder why nobody mentioned Toxic Chill in here yet...
Toxic Chill Spike doesnt realy on hexes, it does a few but meh... and is straight forward damage from a mix of Death Magic and Deadly Arts.
that's a PvP build by the way as it's single target spikes, not very useful in PvE...
for PvE if you want a Necro Nuker instead of the regular Hexer than what Moloch posted works...
however many people call SS Necro a Nuker, and for a good reason at that... it does incredible AoE damage!